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SKOGLUND, Philip
To:
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Thanks Hannah.
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Thanks Hannah, it is very much appreciated.
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Thanks for this, I am back on deck now and hope to get something to you later today /
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Investigate Magazine, August 2000
In 1979, the movie
Sleeping Dogs
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here is a scene in the musical Les Miserables, where Marius and
his colleagues meet in a crowded cafe to plot the downfall of the
French Government in 1832. Earnest youths with no experience of
life believe they can harness public discontent: "Students, workers,
everyone, there's a river on the run; like the flowing of the tide,
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Tens of thousands of New Zealanders saw the stage production, and
thousands more purchased t
the  he CD sound recording. The musical
was so popular that Sue Bradford's Unemployed Workers' Rights
group cunningly hijacked the premiere of Les Mis at Auckland's
Aotea Centre in the early 90s by dressing up in period costume as
pitiful French peasants seeking justice and belting out verses of the
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musical's haunting anthem, "Do You Hear The People Sing"?
The story behind the book, behind the musical, may have captured
the public imagination but it was a heroic, desperate revolution. And
it failed. The people never sang, and the revolutionaries were left to
the mercy of a merciless French Army.
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One is reminded of this while walking into South Auckland living
room on a cold winter night to discover coup-plotters crouched
around a table. The room, dimly lit but a pleasingly warm cocoon
from the season's bite, has barely enough room to swing a cat, yet I
note there are several of those there as well.

It could be easy to draw comparisons between the people
responsible for the New Zealand Armed Intervention Force and the
students in Victor Hugo's novel, but it would be dangerous to
assume their stories might end the same way.

For the first time in modern history, New Zealand's much vaunted
political stability is facing its most serious threat ever, in the opinion
of the New Zealand military, but not from a group of angry
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threat is from a group of highly trained soldiers.

And there's another worrying first in this as well, for the first time
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ever, a group suspected by police and intel igence agencies of
planning terrorist activity has not shied away from police attention,
but instead has actively eyebal ed the police and threatened them.

One of its leaders has met police commanders in South Auckland
and warned them, face to face, that any police attempt to hinder
the group or its aims will be met with deadly force: "We will go
through you like a dose of salts".

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Instead of being arrested and charged with threatening to kill, the
New Zealand Armed Intervention Force's only public front.
Lieutenant Commander Kelvyn Alp, remains free to walk the
streets. What is so different about the NZAIF that even police, the
SIS and the Special Air Service are sitting up and taking careful
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notice.

And how could it have come to this in Godzone?
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NZAIF received little media attention last month when one of its
members, Jason Thompson, appeared in Court on firearms charges.
Its stated aim is "to return power to New Zealanders",  and it first
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came to public attention in February this year when it placed
advertisements in the New Zealand Herald calling for military
personnel to join it.

Among the many replies it received were two letters from Herald
reporters posing as potential recruits and describing themselves as
"outstanding" candidates for the private army. Unlike the Daily
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less sophisticated, after boasting about their combat prowess, the
journalists gave the Herald's own PO Box as the return address. The
same address the NZAIF was to send its advertising payment to.
NZAIF leaders smiled, shook their heads sadly and never bothered
to call the eager "recruits" back.

While the news media have largely treated them as "nutters", it's a
different story at Police National Headquarters, the Ministry of
Defence and the Security Intelligence Service. And for good reason,
NZAIF's members are mainly ex-Territorial Force and Regular Force
soldiers, with the added edge of former Special Air Service troops.

"The Armed Intervention Force is the biggest threat to New
Zealand's security since World War 2," says one defence official
contacted by Investigate. "As threats go, it beats the shit out of 1982
Indonesia."

Jason Thompson, a Maori, was picked up in what police describe as
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a "routine traffic stop". When police checked his vehicle they found
a sawn off
shotgun inside with military ammunition. At his subsequent court
appearances, Thompson was flanked by up to 10 heavily armed
police amid fears that his NZAIF colleagues may attempt to set him
free.

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firearms," concedes one top ranking police officer, "so we are forced
to take them seriously, but we tend to believe the threats they're
making will turn out to be hot air."

It may not be that simple, The group claims to have just taken
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delivery of more than a hundred automatic military assault rifles
and MP5 sub machine guns, A2 grenade launchers and five rocket
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"They get first dibs on weapons on the black market, through their
gang connections," says a military intelligence operative. "They are
really, really, scary, and they're hard to keep track of because
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they're nationwide, and half of them act as paid mercenaries
overseas so they disappear on foreign tours of duty then resurface
months later.

"So many soldiers sort of fall out of the Army and get into the
Armed Intervention Force." And if police anti-terrorist experts
regard the group's claims as "hot air", then a litmus test of that
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Lieutenant Commander Kelvyn Alp, says his group is planning a
show of force in the near future, hitting what he calls 'strategic"
targets.

"The way we're doing it is perfect. There should be zero casualties,
but it will be a Mexican standoff.

"We have multiple targets. We'l  be taking out the enforcement arm
of the settler Government down in Wellington."

By "enforcement arm" read police and military installations.

The NZAIF claims to be a legitimate army representing a legitimate
Government, the 1835 Maori Parliament that provided for a 50/50 1982
power sharing deal between the Confederation of Maori Tribes and
the British. Although many Maori chiefs later signed the Treaty of
Waitangi which was used by the British to proclaim sovereignty over
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New Zealand in the name of Queen Victoria the tribes that refused
to sign continued to hold the 1835 document as being the supreme
agreement.

But although the Confederation of Tribes is staunch in its claim that
Maori still own New Zealand, its army has a more diverse political
outlook. Alp, a self-confessed "Maori basher from way back" says
the NZ Armed Intervention Force "is for all New Zealanders. We're
fighting for the Maori Government because we believe they are the
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lawful Government, but we're not about to let Maori go around
killing Pakeha or anything like that.

"Because people want a change. We're not solely for the Maori,
we're sort of for everyone. The system is corrupt as hell."
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The unit was born in 1996, when Alp left the Army after a run-in
with his bosses while trainin
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of us planning to apply for the SAS. Two of them are in the SAS
now, me -  I went a different way. But when I got out I was
approached by certain individuals who indicated their need for a
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"They told me they'd been following my progress in the military,
and that I had the 'psychological profile' they needed for their unit."

After months of specialised training at the hands of former SAS and
Special Forces instructors, the mercenary unit was like a coiled
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There were twelve men in the first intake,  who found themselves
suddenly thrown into combat in a Pacific rim country in the sort of
operation they make Rambo movies about:

"We were sent in against this little GI Joe outfit. Geographically, it
wasn't here, but you won't see it on our passports because no one
uses passports on special ops. I can't tel  you which country it was
because that would identify the operation, but it was like a hit and
run job.

"We had to attack this unit in this hick town of nowhere, a unit
pretty similar to ours, and we'd been briefed that 'their presence is
a hindrance to the direction the country should be going', I think
I've got the words right, and from that we figured out that these 1982
guys were trying to shake that country. On reflection, I suspect
those guys were trying to do there what we're doing here and that's
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actually been the ones trying to save that country rather than let it
go the way of the power boys.

"There was a little bit of resistance, we lost one person."

The NZAIF was dropped in by inflatables to their target, swimming
in to take them by surprise in the middle of the night. They left no
survivors.

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of money sent the NZAIF on one other mission, a military target.
Alp and his men choppered in to the jungle and marched the last
few kilometres, again taking their opponents entirely by surprise.
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"They had no idea we were coming. We neutralised everyone and
cleared out."
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Alp says he and the others were "pissed off" that they weren't
al owed to keep the weaponry, but accepted the need for
untraceable 'plausible deniability' of the missions.
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Having successful y completed two combat operations with only one
casualty, the men of the NZAIF believed they would continue to be
sent into Pacific trouble spots. Instead, they received a final cheque
and a "Don't Come Monday" notice, thanking them for their work
and informing them they'd no longer be needed.

"We found o
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what do we do? We considered all the options, going to Third World
countries, fighting for money, or actual y doing something proper,
and that's when we decided to start putting this Government in
check."

For al  Alp knows, his paymasters may have merely been 'fronts' for
New Zealand authorities needing mercenaries to carry out some
dirty work in our backyard. If that is the case, then it would be
ironic that in doing so Dr Jekyll inadvertently created a military Mr
Hyde, a bunch of hired guns with a conscience.

"The fight is in this country," Alp remembers the discussion
amongst his men. "This country is the one that needs the help. And
we started really looking into this country and where it was going. 1982
Because being in that world, and understanding what went on and
how the things we did changed the way of doing things and
changed directions, we thought "F*** it is going on here" and then
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we started realising who was taking over here, what was going on
and what it was being fitted for.

"And we've got something the Government can't control none of us
can be bought. If we can put a spoke in the wheel, even if it only
stops the machine for a year or two then I think we'll have done a
bloody good job."

The Lieutenant Commander is passionate about "saving" New
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vehemently opposed to the new photo drivers licences, saying that
from a military or policing point of view it  just makes it easier for
"Big Government" to coerce the population into submission.

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When you listen to his dismay at the sale of billions of dollars in
taxpayer owned assets without a public mandate. The Government's
wil ingness to hound private individuals to their deaths whilst
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refusing to accept liability for disasters like Cave Creek or the
Hepatitis C bad blood scandal, and the poor treatment of the elderly
and infirm, you realise that Alp holds views pretty similar to many
New Zealanders. The only difference, he and the rest of the NZAIF
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have state of the art weaponry that makes the Government take his
opinions a lot more seriously than those of the average disgruntled
punter.

"They have stripped New Zealand of its assets. All that was left to
do was stick an apple in its mouth and serve it up on a plate with
garnish. We're on a downward spiral that we have to arrest, and
bring New Z
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these scungy politicians who sit there and say 'we can't'."

Despite freely admitting his own racist attitudes of the past, and
police still describe the NZAIF as "an odd mix of white supremacists
and Maori radicals", Alp claims to have received a wakeup call.

"We started seeing a race war, the direction being taken was
to create a race war with one ethnic background pitted
against another ethnic background, and while they're at each
other's throats concentrating on that, the wankers
perpetrating it all are back here carving it all up.

"If you take out the lunatic fringe on each side, like Maori who want
to toss out every Pakeha, what you've got left is a whole lot of
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Alp has plunged tens of thousands of dol ars of his own money into
the unit, and it earns extra cash to finance its planned revolution by
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sending some of its conscripts off overseas as mercenaries with
armies like the French Foreign Legion or Britain's Sandline, which
was active in Bougainville and Sierra Leone.

Alp confirms the NZ Defence Force analysis of the AIF's armament
purchasing ability.

"Remember, a lot of our guys are ex-SAS and ex-Army, and they
can get things anywhere. But we fund it ourselves, we've never had
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a penny from the Maori Government. It has all been from our own
pockets and private funding, people have helped us out and that."

It is possible that NZAIF members may also be behind the
disappearance of large numbers of military weapons from defence
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bases around the country. Gun dealers have told Investigate  of
"panic" within the military at the disappearance oi machine guns in
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"Whenever the subject is brought up with Navy personnel," remarks
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According to Alp, Jason Thompson was carrying live ammunition
and a gun when he was picked up because he was returning from a
training exercise. "Almost all of our training is live fire, because if
you train with blanks you get too much of a comfort zone and when
the real thing comes along you lose it. If there's a chance you're
going to die on a training mission, then you'll be on top of it at all
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"So it was his turn to play the 'bad guy' for us ta stalk and kill, so
he was in Hamilton and got pul ed up. His son was playing with an
imitation gun, so the police, when they saw that, decided to keep

searching the car and of course they found the weapon and the
military rounds."

Unlike other revolutionary groups, the NZAIF seem sufficiently
confident of their firepower that they are not intimidated by the
attention they're getting from the police.

"I rang the police as soon as I found out [about Thompson's arrest]
and I said 'It's a jurisdictional matter, he's not under your
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that gun and if he could fit a tank in his pocket he'd be quite within
his rights to do that'.

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The prison van carrying NZAIF gunman Jason THOMPSON
speeds away from the Papakura Court. The escort vehicle in
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Special Tactics Group, as does a second van behind.

The Senior Sergeant got a bit smart with me, so I told him which
way was up and told him I'd be down in the morning, which I duly
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did and bawled out the detective in charge of it.  I said "You either
hand him back or we're coming to get him back."

And perhaps that's why police with anti-terrorist training have been
appointed to guard Thompson at every Court appearance. Court
rooms are sealed, and security staff with electronic body scanners

frisk people entering the courtroom.  In the public gallery,
undercover operative from the police Criminal Intelligence Section,
CIS, mingle with supporters of the accused, hoping to overhear
valuable information but also preparing to leap into action if
violence breaks out. All of this, caused by an organisation whose
public front, so far, has been limited to two people. One of whom is
the vocal basebal  cap wearing, Kelvyn Alp.

"Ah yes" chuckles one CIS officer "the loquacious Mr Alp".

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So why didn't NZAIF bust out their man?

"We were ready to go in the early hours of Monday the morning,
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(July 17)to extract him from Waikeria Prison where they were
holding him. We got asked by the Maori Government if we hold,
and try and do it legal y first.  We weren't happy about it but we
agreed.

"Anyway, when it came up in Hamilton District Court the judge said
he didn't have the jurisdiction to hear it because it was "a
diplomatic matter". Which is precisely right. There are two
jurisdictions working in this country, only one refuses to recognise
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the other. Now the Queen recognises it, United Nations, The Hague
and Geneva recognise it, it's al  down on paper, there's treaties
throughout the South Pacific signed with them already, everyone
recognises it except these clowns down in Wel ington".

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AND THEN THERES THE GANGS ...A defence intelligence analyst and former
New Zealand soldier -  turned  -  author believes an attack by the NZAIF on police or
military targets in New Zealand could set off a powder keg.

Ben Vidgen, whose bestselling book State Secrets was released last year, says NZAIF is
not the only heavily-armed group in the country.

His book documents the involvement of the Black Power Gang in procuring military
weapons from overseas for individuals and groups within New Zealand.

"In 1989 I found myself drawn into the investigation of arms smuggling.  I was young
and naive, and certainly didn't expect to find myself looking at Maori activists let alone
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the New Zealand security forces.

Operation Golden Fleece was the largest low-level intensity warfare excise that the
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Defence Department had ever run.  My post was the central command post of the
exercise's primary support base.  My neighbours included Army Intelligence, Army
Signals and Air Intelligence.

"I discovered that, as a public relations exercise, the Royal New Zealand Army had
invited local North Island chapters of the Black Power Gang to play the role of terrorists.
It was an exercise that would turn to a disaster.  One of the reasons being that the
Black Power participants turned out to be too successful in their role.

When the Army conducts exercises like this, the security forces are expected to "kill"
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ten terrorists for every member of the security forces killed or injured in action.

In Golden Fleece, the ratio of Army KIAs and enemy KIAs worked out at 1:1.  In terms
of POWs the rebels had won hands down. At the end of the three week exercise the
security forces had lost a staggering 200 men which, by Low Level Intensity Warfare
standards, is more than double expected levels.  The figure would have been even
higher except in a number of cases umpires had not been present so the kills were not
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included in official figures.

The Black Power made devastating terrorists.
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One such attack landed by the fun-loving lads of Black Power, a simulated bombing,
would have -  if the umpires had been present -  taken out the entire Australian
contingent of, if I remember correctly, 70 men.

The same attack was later inspected by Royal Army engineers and according to an
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was considered an extremely professional job.

This little piece of information left me viewing the Black Power in a new light.  This was
not a hotch potch outfit of bikers and misfits, but a highly organised  outfit that had
demonstrated a high level of military expertise.  Where the hell did they get it?

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Black Power was into weapons smuggling.  It was also, as I discovered the common
practice to use an assault weapon (such as an AK-47) in gang hits.  Such weapons were
then passed to fishermen and within 48 hours the weapons in question were leaving
New Zealand via Invercargill.

In 1991 during Operation Ivanhoe this and other reports caused me to ask an Army
Intelligence Officer if the security forces were aware of this situation.  The office in
question confirmed that this was the case.  In fact, he told me one of his friends was an
SIS agent who'd been ordered in investigate Black Power's ties to the illicit weapons
trade.

The investigation, however, was abandoned shortly after and the agent stumbled on
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significant new evidence and plans to officially notify the police were shelved.

Vidgen discovered first-hand more evidence of criminals having military firepower, soon
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after he left the army.

While returning from Christchurch I was stunned to hear the sound of automatic gunfire
within the suburb of Addington, located near the headquarters of Highway 61.  Within
half an hour, the same incident was reported on a Christchurch radio station, where it
was described as an incident involving "an air pistol".

The police don't want a public panic on their hands, and they rely on the fact that most
eyewitnesses wouldn't be able to distinguish between an automatic and plastic toy.   A
gun's a guns a gun.

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Vidgen also reports an interview with an SAS soldier who inadvertently stumbled across
a massive weapons cache controlled by cannabis growers in the King Country.

There were crates upon crates upon crates of weapons, the soldier confirmed.  They
were Uzis, grenades, AK-47s and American stuff.

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The soldier defused the situation with the cannabis growers by using his tribal affiliation,
they were all Tuhoi.

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disrupted a hui several years ago by telling the gathering they had large caches of
weapons buried all over the country.

Leading Criminologist Greg Newbold also backs up Vidgen's allegations, saying "I've
talked to people who've gone to big Auckland gangs and found literally a whole house of
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weapons, rocket launchers, automatics, semi-automatics, rifles, pistols".

From Vidgen's perspective, there is a clear and present danger of all out civil war, if
NZAIF begin firing shots in anger at the Government.

New Zealand is sitting on dynamite at the moment.  It's been brewing for years and it's
coming to a head. Potentially, if one group with solid military experience successfully
takes out a Government unit, you can expect thousands of gang members and others to
be on the streets, heavily armed, pretty bloody quickly after that.
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They didn't get to be explosives experts, capable of beating the New Zealand and
Australian Armies, by taking patchwork quilt classes.  Somebody's been training them.

Nor does the NZAIF claim to be anti-police or anti-law and order.
"We know there's a need for the police force, but my men are under
my jurisdiction, not the police".
The fact that Alp is able to openly boast to police that his group has
fully automatic military weapons and is prepared to use the, and is
still free to walk the streets, indicates that police are not willing to
provoke the NZAIF.
Indeed, at one interim court hearing on the Jason Thompson case, 1982
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Waikeria Prison had refused to take him back because of the
security risk, so Thompson was remanded in custody to the
maximum security wing at Paremoremo pending a High Court
Hearing on the "diplomatic" nature of the case.
Thompson was described in court as "of no fixed abode", because
he  repeatedly answered police questions with merely his name,
rank and NZAIF serial number.  He has a home, but Alp claims
police still don't know where Thompson was living at the time of his
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I've told the police that if they move against us they had better be
ready", Alp says, "because there's weapons caches all over the
place and if they pop one the rest of us wil  come down on them like
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a tonne of bricks.  We still haven't ruled out going into Paremoremo
to get him".
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official word from police is that they are "keeping a watching brief"
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The house is under constant surveillance, the phone is bugged, and
CIS officers and regular police have been approaching people in
locations as diverse as shopping mal s and airports to ask about
their connection to Kelvyn Alp and the NZAIF.
The situation is knife-edge sen  itive, to the point that one police
officer, Brad White, was suspended earlier this year after a CIS/SIS
raid on Alp'
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up the police officer's wallet.  Alp insists White is just "a family
friend" who has no involvement with NZAIF.  Understandably
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It was after that raid that Alp gave South Auckland notice their first
"talking to" and warned them that if they pulled "a stunt like that"
again it may have tragic consequences.
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"The reason they're shit scared and have high security is a: -
because they know nothing a
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about us and their little spies and electronic listening devices will
only find out what we want them to know, and b: -  because we
know a hell of a lot about them, their operations, their response
times, how they do things, how they enter buildings, who they'll
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"I told Ted Cox at the table, 'If you're on one side, and we're on the
other, and we come head to head, we'l  go through you like a dose
of salts. Make no mistake about it.' And I told him that to his face
so he was under no il usions. So then they started talking about
'coexisting' and that sort of stuff."

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Police, and some "men from the Minister's office" in Wellington,
were told in a frank and open discussion that the NZAIF was "not a
threat to New Zealand's security, but definitely a threat to the
Government's security. A huge threat!"

"So you're anti-Government then?" one official asked.

"Damn right. We want to return New Zealand to New Zealanders.
And by that we mean everybody brown, white, Asian, not you
people down in Wellington who are governing il egally."

'What pisses them off about us," claims Alp, "is that they know that
we know what's really going on in this country."

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"They're afraid of you," another police officer who knows Alp
allegedly told him privately. "You know that. We're not used to
people who openly state to our faces that they're prepared to use
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Senior police have told Investigate  they have "pretty good'
intelligence on NZAIF, but that statement begs further analysis. It
wasn't until a suburban news paper ran a front page story on the
existence of the NZAIF on February 15 this year that police
suddenly swooped on Alp in the aforementioned raid on February
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"We've relocated our armouries because the police were getting too
close. Once we strap them [the weapons] on to go, it doesn't
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it ever comes into conflict with the police or the New Zealand Amy.
In a face-to-face interview, away from prying eyes, Alp claims the
AIF has more than 1,500 troops loyal to it, both inside and outside
the Army. In a later phone call, he is much more circumspect.
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"This is for the SIS, who are listening of course," he explains before
continuing, "we have elite forces, and we have two sections of 12 -
SG1 and SG2 - these are shadow groups, and SG3 and SG4 which
are 'green role', jungle, open spaces, that sort of thing. SG1 and 2
are city-trained, so whichever operation you're doing requires
different units with different skills.

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"Now these break down into 'six and six', so SG1 and SG2 make up
one section of 12 and SG3 and SG4 make up another. They never
operate as 24 unless it's a really big thing. And then you've got your
regulars who are definitely not as well trained, but they know what
they're doing.

"Al  up, we'd have about a hundred and twenty odd, but they're
scattered. As far as weapons are concerned, they're either supplied
to us or some of the business people we know buy them for us. But
the support in the last three or four months has real y grown -just a
groundswel  of people who've been shafted and who've had enough
and they're saying 'just do it'.

"There are going to be people bad-mouthing us on the radio, cal ing
us terrorists -  we don't give a shit! If we took over the country 1982
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briefly and then get on with their lives."

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Alp is adamant the NZAIF has no intention of targeting civilians in
any coup attempt.

"Everything we may or may not do in this  country, the one thing
that is stressed above everything else is zero civilian casualties.
Although we wouldn't put it past them to slip up and blame it on
us".

"Our motto is that withdrawal is not an option, we'll do the job or
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we don't come home from it."

There is always a danger for soldiers for hire that they may die in a
double cross: they raise money by serving 28 mercenaries
overseas, and there is nothing to prevent New Zealand intel igence
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services from using a front organisation of their own to lure the
NZAIF into a job they'l  never return home from, wiping out the
armed resistance unit in one fell swoop.
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On the other hand, it may be too late for that, the NZAIF are
claiming they're preparing to launch a military strike in New Zealand
shortly. What that may do to the country's international reputation
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and financial markets, let alone the families of all those affected,
God alone knows.

In 1993, a prominent business forecasting group gave TVNZ
executives a private briefing on the state of the economy, warning
them that conditions were being created as a result of economic
restructuring that could lead to a civil war in New Zealand within ten
years. Natu
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suggestions, the idea of Sue Bradford leading a revolution clearly
didn't seem a goer. But it appears nobody paid enough attention to
one of the oldest catalysts for revolution in the history books, if you
don't look after your army and pay them wel , you end up with

highly trained military personnel with time on their hands, a chip on
the shoulder, and nothing to do.

As we pointed out earlier in the article, it would be extremely foolish
of readers to underestimate the danger facing the country,
especially as the security forces are taking it extremely seriously.
How many SAS crack troops would it take to blow up a New Zealand
power station or oil depot? Then ask the question, how many SAS
crack troops have joined NZAIF? That's one New Zealand's security
forces still can't answer.
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Ask Alp whether history will judge them as extremist terrorists or
freedom fighters, and his a guess that al  depends on who wins."
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which has declined an Official Information Act re- quest to provide
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That publication it would seem to be a much more cut and dried issue.
As you are aware Hannah Clayden is capturing evidence on that part of the inquiry
– FVPCA offences.
The plan is for her to gather evidence, set up a search warrant application /
evidence package for NZP & DIA to potentially execute.

Ngā mihi nui

Glenn Williams | Manager: Digital Violent Extremism, Digital Safety
Toi Hiranga | Regulation & Policy
9(2)(a)
Phone Work +64 (0) 4 495-7200 Ext: 5685  DDI +64 (0) 4 494-0685  Mobile
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Subject:
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Date:
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This is really helpful thank you!
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45 Pipitea Street, Wellington
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Subject: FW: Counterspin Media / DIA Op Screen

Morning Kelly

Hope you had a great weekend.
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If you could get back to me by end of today that would be appreciated.

Cheers

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From: Hannah Clayden 9(2)(g)(ii)
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To: SKOGLUND, Philip <[email address]>
Cc: Glenn Williams9(2)(g)(ii)
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Mōrena Phil,
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and so I will be working from home as much as possible but
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I will keep in touch.
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From: SKOGLUND, Philip <[email address]>
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Hi Philip,
Thank you for that, adding him to the list.
Also, attached is the documentation in relation to the decision made by the Office of Film and
Literature Classification (OFLC). As you know, the OFLC called in the publication and classified is
as objectionable.
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I still hope to send you what I have gotten up to so far tomorrow. Now that I have finished a
batch of interviews I should be able to focus on it.
Kind regards
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Countering Violent Extremism, Digital Safety
Toi Hiranga | Regulation & Policy
Department of Internal Affairs | Te Tari Taiwhenua
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Subject:
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Date:
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Kind regards
Hannah
Hannah Clayden (She/her) | Senior Investigator
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Countering Violent Extremism, Digital Safety
Toi Hiranga | Regulation & Policy
Department of Internal Affairs | Te Tari Taiwhenua
45 Pipitea Street, Wellington
Phone:9(2)(a)
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From:
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Sent:
Wednesday, 2 March 2022 7:21 am
To:
Hannah Clayden
Subject:
RE: "The Three Faced Terrorist – Part One” documentary NZ Police Investigation - Classified as objectionable
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Cheers
Kia Haumaru / Stay Safe
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National Security Investigations Team
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Subject: RE: "The Three Faced Terrorist – Part One” documentary NZ Police Investigation ‐ Classified as objectionable
Hi Phil,
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Kind regards
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I’m just following up from Glenn’s email below.
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Ngā mihi nui

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Toi Hiranga | Regulation & Policy
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Hi Phil

Hannah Clayden is the point Investigator for the publication ‘The Three Faced Terrorist – Part One’.
She is away till Tuesday.

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Toi Hiranga | Regulation & Policy
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Subject:
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I’m just following up from Glenn’s email below.
Hope you enjoyed your leave.  Can you give me a call to discuss please.
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Ngā mihi nui

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Toi Hiranga | Regulation & Policy
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Phone Work +64 (0) 4 495‐7200 Ext: 5685  DDI +64 (0) 4 494‐0685  Mobile
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I have been tasked to investigate Counter spin Media who recently posted on their media  platform the publication ‘The Three Faced Terrorist – Part One’.
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Before I take any action I just wanted to deconflict with you (DIA) and make sure we weren’t crossing over into each other’s lane.

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