15/10/24 hui.
From:
Robyn Rauna
To:
Ashley Seaford; Virginia McLean
Cc:
Paytyn Cornor <9(2)(a)
>
Subject:
Re: Meeting with Robyn and Corin with Ginny and MoJ
Date:
Monday, 7 October 2024 10:36:16 am
Kia ora Ashley
Out of scope
OT would be a part of it – I estimate 2 hours. An hour to present and speak to the proposed
legislation and an hour for Pou Tangata technicians to ask questions and have a discussion
with OT about these changes. To give you an idea of what the questions will be like – here is
something I thought of over the weekend:
If a young person is detained by the police on the side of the road without the means
(like a cellphone) to contact or communicate with their parents or caregiver – will
Police facilitate and provide this contact?
If the gang legislation that is to be introduced means that all forms of
communication like cellphones, laptops, ipads etc are uplifted by the Police when
they enter a home occupied by a gang member and there are minors including young
men in the house who happened to be a whanau member of the gang member
detained by the police – will Police facilitate and provide contact for this young
person?
Discussion with OT will largely be based on the practicalities of implementing the
legislation and I know that technicians will want to understand the role and function of the
Police and the extent to which they will facilitate much needed support for young people.
Why? Because they will suffer harm which is another of Government’s priorities.
I would also want to know if OT are tracking and monitoring complaints lodged with the
Police with the implementation of the proposed legislation?
Ka pai.
Robyn
From: Ashley Seaford <9(2)(a)
>
Date: Friday, 4 October 2024 at 2:51 PM
To: Robyn Rauna 9(2)(a)
, Virginia McLean
9(2)(a)
Cc: Paytyn Cornor 9(2)(a)
Subject: RE: Meeting with Robyn and Corin with Ginny and MoJ
IN-CONFIDENCE
Ngā mihi Robyn-yes understand.
Ginny will check in with Phil.
Can I please clarify – are you having a full day session and we (OT) would be a part of that-
if so- how much time would you like Ginny to be there?
Thanks
From: Robyn Rauna <9(2)(a)
>
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2024 12:08 PM
To: Ashley Seaford <9(2)(a)
>; Virginia McLean <9(2)(a)
>
Cc: Paytyn Cornor <9(2)(a)
> <9(2)(a)
>
Subject: Re: Meeting with Robyn and Corin with Ginny and MoJ
Kia ora Ashley
Given the seriousness of the proposals I would appreciate consideration of in person
attendance of OT at this hui. Pou Tangata technicians are all making time to convene
in person for this kaupapa and “showing up” to do face to face presentations will
demonstrate commitment to our relationship.
I’m thinking of an 11am delivery for OT.
Nga mihi
Robyn
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From: Ashley Seaford <9(2)(a)
>
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2024 11:30 AM
To: Virginia McLean <9(2)(a)
>; Paytyn Cornor
<9(2)(a)
> <9(2)(a)
>
Cc: 'Robyn Rauna' <9(2)(a)
> <9(2)(a)
>
Subject: Meeting with Robyn and Corin with Ginny and MoJ
IN-CONFIDENCE
Hi Ginny, thanks for meeting with Robyn and the ILG yesterday.
Can you please see below from Robyn.
Robyn is keen for you and MOJ person to come and speak at their 15/10/24 hui.
I am thinking this will be by Teams.
Paytyn can you please send the invite for the time slot to Ginny and she can forward to
From:
Paytyn Cornor
To:
Virginia McLean; Robyn Rauna
Cc:
Ashley Seaford; Iain Chapman; Kathryn Wilson; 9(2)(a)
Nicolette Dickson;
9(2)(a)
Subject:
Re: Follow up questions: Meeting with Robyn and Corin with Ginny and MoJ
Date:
Friday, 11 October 2024 9:26:30 am
Kia ora koutou,
Following on from Robyn’s email - this hui will be held in the
Rimu Room at Jetpark Hotel
Auckland Airport in Mangere on
Tuesday 15 October, 11am – 1pm.
Please let Robyn or I know if you have any other questions.
Ngā mihi
Paytyn
From: Virginia McLean <9(2)(a)
>
Date: Tuesday, 8 October 2024 at 9:38 PM
To: Robyn Rauna <9(2)(a)
>
Cc: Paytyn Cornor <9(2)(a)
>, Ashley Seaford
<9(2)(a)
>, Iain Chapman <9(2)(a)
>, Kathryn
Wilson <9(2)(a)
>, [email address]
<9(2)(a)
>, Nicolette Dickson <9(2)(a)
>,
9(2)(a)
<9(2)(a)
>
Subject: RE: Follow up questions: Meeting with Robyn and Corin with Ginny and MoJ
IN-CONFIDENCE
Kia ora Robyn
Thank you, that is helpful.
Virginia McLean (she/her)
General Manager System, Policy & Governance
(
T: 9(2)(a)
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E: 9(2)(a)
From: Robyn Rauna <9(2)(a)
>
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2024 8:52 AM
To: Virginia McLean <9(2)(a)
>
Cc: Paytyn Cornor <9(2)(a)
<9(2)(a)
>; Ashley
Seaford <9(2)(a)
>; Iain Chapman <9(2)(a)
Kathryn
Wilson 9(2)(a)
; 9(2)(a)
; Nicolette Dickson
<9(2)(a)
nz>; 9(2)(a)
Subject: Re: Follow up questions: Meeting with Robyn and Corin with Ginny and MoJ
Kia ora Virginia
See my responses in
BLUE to your email below.,
Ngā mihi
Robyn
From: Virginia McLean <9(2)(a)
>
Date: Monday, 7 October 2024 at 6:54 PM
To: Robyn Rauna <9(2)(a)
>
Cc: Paytyn Cornor <9(2)(a)
>, Ashley Seaford
<9(2)(a)
>, Iain Chapman <9(2)(a)
>, Kathryn
Wilson <9(2)(a)
>
Subject: Follow up questions: Meeting with Robyn and Corin with Ginny and MoJ
IN-CONFIDENCE
Tēnā koe Robyn
I look forward to meeting with you and team next week.
To help us prepare, I would like to cover a few things.
First, Iain Chapman will attend on behalf of Tusha Penny. As you may recall, both Tusha
and Phil are on leave next week. Iain is National Director Youth Justice Services and
Residential Care. Iain will be able to speak to the operational implications of the proposed
new law. Excellent – I would also like a copy of the
youth justice practice guidelines for
implementing the new changes so there is assurance of training and consistent adherence
to the implementation of the practice requirements.
Second, given your example questions below, I think it would be useful to have someone
from NZP attending. We could ask Supt Scott Gemmell who is based in Tāmaki Makaurau.
What do you think? Yes please having a person from the New Zealand Police would be helpful –
if Scott is able to make it that would be good. I would also like to know whether the direct
operational and working relationships that Iwi have in place with the New Zealand Police will
remain intact. Where there are no relationships established what is proposed by NZP to address
the need for cultural safety?
Third, I’d like to bring along, Nicole Beattie. She is a senior advisor at OT working on the
legislation providing for the “Young Serious Offender” and Military-Style Academy”. Nicole is also
based in Tāmaki Makaurau. Would that be ok? Kei te pai – implementation and practice of the
legislation as it is written is what will be honed in on. If Nicole is holding the pen on the drafting
of the legislation that is still being written she needs to come to the hui with an open mind.
Forth, Ministry of Justice wants to check what matters you would like to discuss so they can
prepare and bring along the right contacts. Would you like to discuss that further. I will advance
a request through Marcus Akuhata-Brown for our Chair Rahui Papa to meet with Andrew
Kibblewhite as soon as possible. Rahui’s interest is to understand the legislative reform
programme and to seek advanced notice of what Government is progressing as we are
concerned that we are being advised of matters too late which goes to the crux of the
assurances that the Prime Minister gave to the Iwi Chairs in February this year – that there was
commitment to a Te Tiriti based relationship. There is no consultation with Iwi over many of the
matters that the Government is progressing. From our perspective, Te Tiriti trumps all and any
current or future Coalition agreements.
Finally, you’ve suggested that you’d like to meet for two hours. When you are ready, let us
know the time and location. The sooner we can book flights the better. We are waiting on
Orbit Travel to confirm the venue I would plan to be available from 11am to 1pm on
Tuesday 15th Oct in Auckland. I will get Paytyn to advise you as soon as she hears from
Orbit
I look forward to hearing from you.
Ngā mihi,
Virginia McLean (she/her)
General Manager System, Policy & Governance
(
T: 9(2)(a)
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E: 9(2)(a)
From: Robyn Rauna <9(2)(a)
>
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2024 10:36 AM
To: Ashley Seaford <9(2)(a)
>; Virginia McLean <9(2)(a)
>
Cc: Paytyn Cornor <9(2)(a)
> <9(2)(a)
>
Subject: Re: Meeting with Robyn and Corin with Ginny and MoJ
Kia ora Ashley
Yes we are planning a full day session but want to spend a good amount of time on whanau
& community facing strategies that we believe needs to be devised in response to the
legislation on youth justice that is to be introduced.
OT would be a part of it – I estimate 2 hours. An hour to present and speak to the proposed
legislation and an hour for Pou Tangata technicians to ask questions and have a discussion
with OT about these changes. To give you an idea of what the questions will be like – here is
something I thought of over the weekend:
If a young person is detained by the police on the side of the road without the means
(like a cellphone) to contact or communicate with their parents or caregiver – will
Police facilitate and provide this contact?
If the gang legislation that is to be introduced means that all forms of
communication like cellphones, laptops, ipads etc are uplifted by the Police when
they enter a home occupied by a gang member and there are minors including young
men in the house who happened to be a whanau member of the gang member
detained by the police – will Police facilitate and provide contact for this young
person?
From:
Robyn Rauna
To:
Ashley Seaford
Cc:
Ashley Seaford; Nicolette Dickson; Paytyn Cornor; 9(2)(a)
; Virginia McLean
Subject:
Re: Draft Agenda for tomorrow"s hui
Date:
Tuesday, 15 October 2024 5:52:14 pm
Kia ora Ashley
The agenda for our quick 30min catch up tomorrow looks fine. In the interests of noting my
immediate feedback to the agenda items see my comments in
BLUE
I know this hui is a quick 30min hui.
Ka pai.
Robyn
From: Ashley Seaford <9(2)(a)
>
Date: Tuesday, 15 October 2024 at 10:20 AM
To: Nicolette Dickson <9(2)(a)
>, 'Robyn Rauna'
<9(2)(a)
>
Cc: Ashley Seaford <9(2)(a)
>
Subject: Draft Agenda for tomorrow's hui
IN-CONFIDENCE
Ata mārie,
Hope you are both well. Robyn hope your hui today goes well.
Please find a draft agenda for the OTILG and Oranga Tamariki hui tomorrow. Please let me
know any edits/changes and I will send out Cop today/tomorrow AM. Ngā mihi. A.
Please note Phil is on leave.
Draft Agenda
Out of scope
-Tuesday meeting with Oranga Tamariki and Police (any follow up required? Robyn has
asked about access to copies of Cabinet papers) Yes please – we are keen to have access
to the Cabinet papers that relate to proposed changes to the Oranga Tamariki Act 1989. I
want to thank and acknowledge the officials that attended the meeting today. There are
some challenges that we will all face with the proposed legislation. The help and
assistance of Oranga Tamariki ILG & Pou Tangata was sought to be able to look at the
implementation of the legislation. We understood that this legislation is planned to be
enacted in March/April 2025.
Our assistance was sought without any committed resourcing forthcoming to Pou
Tangata (currently) for our joint work plan;
We appreciate the insights shared with us by OT about the Te Au Rere pilot but
there is a need for Pou Tangata to hui directly with Rangitane to hear their thoughts
and insights about the pilot programme they were running;
Together with OT, The Oranga Tamariki ILG & Pou Tangata want to be a part of
developing a communication plan and rollout about the proposed legislation out into
regions to observe and monitor.
Out of scope
Having a relationship of trust was mentioned today – we shouldn’t overlook this.
I look forward to talking to you all apopo.
Nga mihi
Robyn
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Agenda
Pou Tangata CEs and Lead Advisors Meeting
Date:
Thursday 17 October 2024
Time:
3:00pm - 4:30pm
Venue:
Room 1.7, 56 The Terrace (and via MS Teams)
Click here to join the meeting Meeting ID: 446 663 048 523
Passcode: a2otcv
Attendees:
Pou Tangata
•
Lorraine Toki, Pou Tangata Lead Advisor, Skills and Employment ILG
Lead Advisor
•
Maxine Graham, Mātauranga ILG Lead Advisor
•
Robyn Rauna, Oranga Tamariki ILG Lead Advisor
•
Kirikōwhai Mikaere, Data ILG Lead Advisor
•
Daniel Solomon, Pou Tangata Advisor
•
Erena Kara, Pou Tangata Advisor
•
Paytyn Cornor, Pou Tangata Secretariat
Agency Officials
•
Debbie Power, CE, Ministry of Social Development
•
Ellen MacGregor-Reid, Secretary of Education, Ministry of Education
•
Nicolette Dickson, Chief Social Worker and DCE Professional Practice
•
Rachael Milicich, Acting CE and Government Statistician, Stats NZ
•
Mārama Edwards, Deputy Chief Executive, Māori, Communities and
Partnerships, MSD
•
Rena Hona, GM Māori, Partnerships and Programmes, MSD
Apologies
•
Andrew Bridgman, Acting CE Oranga Tamariki
•
Mark Sowden, CE and Government Statistician
•
Nicola-Kiri Paulsen, Director, MSD
Secretariat
•
Nikita Matthews, Senior Advisor, MSD
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