Firearms information
Malcolm Lock made this Official Information request to New Zealand Police
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From: Malcolm Lock
Dear New Zealand Police,
In the police associations submission to the Finance and Expenditure Select Committee 18 October 2019.
They state on page 4
"15. In the first six months of Operation Gun Safe2 1206 firearms were seized, recovered or surrendered; 32% of Gun Safe events resulted in arrest; a firearm was discharged by an offender in 10% of the events and 18% of the 179 firearms presented at members of the public or police were located; when firearms were presented at Police they were discharged 50% of the time; firearms presented at the public were discharged 33% of the time; 34% of the individuals involved had gang links; 11% had firearms licences."
I wish to seek clarity around the figures they relate too in the above statement, obviously they have obtained the figure from the NZ police to make such an accurate statement. If the police association have not obtained the figures from the NZ police then the figures must have been fabricated.
I specifically request the numbers of times firearms were presented at police, to accurately determine what the actual 50% relates too within the time frame referred to in the submission.
As no actual numbers were quoted for firearms presented at police it is not possible to determine the actual number of times a firearms was discharged. EG 50% of 2 is 1 however 50% of 30 is 15, I wish to have a better understanding of they actual numbers a firearms was discharged at the police.
" when firearms were presented at Police they were discharged 50% of the time"
I would also like clarity around the figures for "1206 firearms were seized, recovered or
surrendered"
Please supply this information in the categories of, seized, recovered and surrendered.
The way police association have combined the information is is ambiguous. For example, 1 firearm may have been seized, 2 firearms recovered, leaving 1203 firearms surrendered, or any combination of the 3 categories.
Also is it common practice to allow a non government organisation such as the NZ police association knowledge of police operations?
How did the NZ police association know of Operation Gun Safe2?
What other non government organisations know of Operation Gun Safe2?
How was the police association informed of Operation Gun Safe2?
Does a non government organisation having knowledge of police operations, either current or historical pose any security or legal issues?
Please supply all information regarding Operation Gun Safe2 that has been released to the NZ Police association.
The NZ Police Associations submission can be found via the following link
https://www.parliament.nz/resource/en-NZ...
Yours faithfully,
Malcolm Lock
New Zealand Police
Dear Mr Lock,
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Kind regards,
Ministerial Services
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From: Malcolm Lock <[FOI #11538 email]>
Date: 28/10/2019 09:44AM
Subject: Official Information request - Firearms information
Dear New Zealand Police,
In the police associations submission to the Finance and Expenditure
Select Committee 18 October 2019.
They state on page 4
"15. In the first six months of Operation Gun Safe2 1206 firearms were
seized, recovered or surrendered; 32% of Gun Safe events resulted in
arrest; a firearm was discharged by an offender in 10% of the events and
18% of the 179 firearms presented at members of the public or police were
located; when firearms were presented at Police they were discharged 50%
of the time; firearms presented at the public were discharged 33% of the
time; 34% of the individuals involved had gang links; 11% had firearms
licences."
I wish to seek clarity around the figures they relate too in the above
statement, obviously they have obtained the figure from the NZ police to
make such an accurate statement. If the police association have not
obtained the figures from the NZ police then the figures must have been
fabricated.
I specifically request the numbers of times firearms were presented at
police, to accurately determine what the actual 50% relates too within the
time frame referred to in the submission.
As no actual numbers were quoted for firearms presented at police it is
not possible to determine the actual number of times a firearms was
discharged. EG 50% of 2 is 1 however 50% of 30 is 15, I wish to have a
better understanding of they actual numbers a firearms was discharged at
the police.
" when firearms were presented at Police they were discharged 50% of the
time"
I would also like clarity around the figures for "1206 firearms were
seized, recovered or
surrendered"
Please supply this information in the categories of, seized, recovered and
surrendered.
The way police association have combined the information is is ambiguous.
For example, 1 firearm may have been seized, 2 firearms recovered,
leaving 1203 firearms surrendered, or any combination of the 3 categories.
Also is it common practice to allow a non government organisation such as
the NZ police association knowledge of police operations?
How did the NZ police association know of Operation Gun Safe2?
What other non government organisations know of Operation Gun Safe2?
How was the police association informed of Operation Gun Safe2?
Does a non government organisation having knowledge of police operations,
either current or historical pose any security or legal issues?
Please supply all information regarding Operation Gun Safe2 that has been
released to the NZ Police association.
The NZ Police Associations submission can be found via the following link
[1]https://www.parliament.nz/resource/en-NZ...
Yours faithfully,
Malcolm Lock
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From: Malcolm Lock
Dear New Zealand Police,
This has been referred to the Ombudsman for follow up.
Yours faithfully,
Malcolm Lock
New Zealand Police
Kia ora Malcolm
I refer to your request of 28 October 2019 for information relating to the
police associations submission to the Finance and Expenditure Select
Committee 18 October 2019, for which your Ombudsman complaint pertains.
I have been asked to let you know that the response to your request will
be delivered in two parts.
The work group are aiming to have a response to the disaggregated data
questions to you by Tuesday next week.
The remainder of your questions will take slightly longer and it is not
entirely clear when this will be ready for release, though the aim is to
have it to you by the end of next week.
I will keep you informed of any relevant updates.
Kind regards
Ministerial Services
PNHQ
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Kia ora Malcolm
Please find attached the NZ Police response to your request.
Please note this is part 1 and part 2 is underway.
Kind regards
Ministerial Services
PNHQ
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From: Malcolm Lock
Dear New Zealand Police,
Can you please update me on when the second part of the reply will be made available?
You stated that you aimed for it to be completed by the end of this week
Yours faithfully,
Yours faithfully,
Malcolm Lock
New Zealand Police
Kia ora Malcolm
Part 2 of your response is underway and necessary consultations are being
undertaken.
With resources and availability low right now, the response is taking
longer than expected
As the work group is currently undertaking work on operational matters,
this is all the information I have at this time.
We will provide any relevant updates that occur to you indue course.
Our apologies for the delay.
Kind regards
Ministerial Services
PNHQ
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From: "Malcolm Lock" <[FOI #11538 email]>
Date: 06/12/2019 04:56PM
Subject: Re: Official Correspondence from NZ Police
Dear New Zealand Police,
Can you please update me on when the second part of the reply will be made
available?
You stated that you aimed for it to be completed by the end of this week
Yours faithfully,
Yours faithfully,
Malcolm Lock
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Kia ora Malcolm
Please find attached the NZ Police response to your request.
Please note this is part 1 and part 2 is underway.
Kind regards
Ministerial Services
PNHQ
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New Zealand Police
Kia ora Malcolm
I refer to your request of 28 October 2019.
The second part of your request is under review and we anticipate that it
will be ready to release to you by the end of this week/early next week.
Our apologies for the delay.
Ng ā mihi
Ministerial Services
Police National Headquarters
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From: Malcolm Lock
Dear New Zealand Police,
As it has not shown up this week I expect it Monday or at the very latest Tuesday of next week.
Yet I feel as though you will renege on this as well.
Yours faithfully,
Malcolm Lock
New Zealand Police
Kia ora Malcolm
Thank you for your email.
A few changes have had to be made to the response following the review and
once these are done your response will be released to you.
Our sincere apologies for the delay.
Kind regards
Ministerial Services
PNHQ
-----"Malcolm Lock" <[FOI #11538 email]>
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From: "Malcolm Lock" <[FOI #11538 email]>
Date: 18/01/2020 11:52AM
Subject: Re: Official Correspondence from NZ Police
Dear New Zealand Police,
As it has not shown up this week I expect it Monday or at the very latest
Tuesday of next week.
Yet I feel as though you will renege on this as well.
Yours faithfully,
Malcolm Lock
-----Original Message-----
Kia ora Malcolm
I refer to your request of 28 October 2019.
The second part of your request is under review and we anticipate that
it
will be ready to release to you by the end of this week/early next week.
Our apologies for the delay.
Ng ā mihi
Ministerial Services
Police National Headquarters
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WARNING
The information contained in this email message is intended for the
addressee only and may contain privileged information. It may also be
subject to the provisions of section 50 of the Policing Act 2008, which
creates an offence to have unlawful possession of Police property. If
you
are not the intended recipient of this message or have received this
message in error, you must not peruse, use, distribute or copy this
message or any of its contents.
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reflect
those of the New Zealand Police. If you have received this message in
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From: Malcolm Lock
Dear New Zealand Police,
Am I likely to get a reply this month?
Yours faithfully,
Malcolm Lock
New Zealand Police
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Please find attached the NZ Police response to your request.
Our sincere apologies for the delay in sending this to you.
Kind regards
Ministerial Services
PNHQ(See attached file: Police association website information.pdf) (See
attached file: 01-19-29290 Lock Draft response - part 2 v6.pdf) (See
attached file: Information provided.pdf)
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