ADHB doctors payroll information
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From: K Roe (Account suspended)
Dear Ministry of Health,
Once upon a time I lived in Canberra and I was fortunate to have the opportunity to have psycho-dynamically oriented psychotherapy with a psychiatrist in private practice.
Before I embarked on work with him I googled him to check there wasn't a pattern of serious allegations against him or anything problematic like that. I was initially surprised to find payroll information from the Canberra Hospital. Then I realized that he worked part time in private and part time in public practice. The payroll information was publicly available (accessible on the internet) because it was public practice.
The information listed all Clinical employees. Their full name. The capacity they were hired in (e.g., Consultant Psychiatrist). The FTE of the position. The gross amount that they were paid (that was associated with the FTE of the position).
I would like to see this information from the Auckland District Health Board (ADHB).
Why?
I am trying to understand what is going on with Psychiatry (in the first instance) in Auckland. I am trying to get a handle on whether there are ample Psychiatrists on payroll (but they are trained never to set foot on the hospital -- like how Otago wanted to train students to get signed off on their workplace internship without attendance) or whether there aren't ample Psychiatrists on payroll (where they are getting 5th year medical students or building apprentices to pass themselves off as consultants while they pay the University for their work experience in the hospital). Or, more likely, see the sort of ratios.
As well as the Clinical staff. I would also like to know about the non-clinical staff. The administration and management, particularly.
I suppose I want to see where the payroll money goes so I can understand what's going on with where the money goes in the Hospital. Or if the idea is that Ailsa Claire gives most of the money back (unspent) and it's on that understanding that she gets to keep her job with the payroll she apparently gets...
I know that was a bit long but I am trying to provide the context for my question and reassurance that this is a question about public information that should be readily available or accessible to people who manage the payroll and hirings etc.
- ALL Clinical staff (doctors).
- Nonclinical management / administration
Yours faithfully,
Kelly Roe.
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From: K Roe <[FOI #18614 email]>
Sent: Monday, 21 February 2022 10:32
To: OIA Requests <[email address]>
Subject: Official Information request - ADHB doctors payroll information
Dear Ministry of Health,
Once upon a time I lived in Canberra and I was fortunate to have the
opportunity to have psycho-dynamically oriented psychotherapy with a
psychiatrist in private practice.
Before I embarked on work with him I googled him to check there wasn't a
pattern of serious allegations against him or anything problematic like
that. I was initially surprised to find payroll information from the
Canberra Hospital. Then I realized that he worked part time in private
and part time in public practice. The payroll information was publicly
available (accessible on the internet) because it was public practice.
The information listed all Clinical employees. Their full name. The
capacity they were hired in (e.g., Consultant Psychiatrist). The FTE of
the position. The gross amount that they were paid (that was associated
with the FTE of the position).
I would like to see this information from the Auckland District Health
Board (ADHB).
Why?
I am trying to understand what is going on with Psychiatry (in the first
instance) in Auckland. I am trying to get a handle on whether there are
ample Psychiatrists on payroll (but they are trained never to set foot on
the hospital -- like how Otago wanted to train students to get signed off
on their workplace internship without attendance) or whether there aren't
ample Psychiatrists on payroll (where they are getting 5th year medical
students or building apprentices to pass themselves off as consultants
while they pay the University for their work experience in the hospital).
Or, more likely, see the sort of ratios.
As well as the Clinical staff. I would also like to know about the
non-clinical staff. The administration and management, particularly.
I suppose I want to see where the payroll money goes so I can understand
what's going on with where the money goes in the Hospital. Or if the idea
is that Ailsa Claire gives most of the money back (unspent) and it's on
that understanding that she gets to keep her job with the payroll she
apparently gets...
I know that was a bit long but I am trying to provide the context for my
question and reassurance that this is a question about public information
that should be readily available or accessible to people who manage the
payroll and hirings etc.
- ALL Clinical staff (doctors).
- Nonclinical management / administration
Yours faithfully,
Kelly Roe.
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From: K Roe (Account suspended)
> In order for the Ministry to respond to your request could you please clarify exactly what information you are requesting?
I will try.
Here is some more context for my request:
The ADHB advertised a part-time position 'sterile supply technician'. I applied for that job. I stated that I was interested in learning about surgical equipment and how it would be looked after / maintained / cared for to help reduce hospital associated infections etc. I was informed outright that I did not get the job. The job was re-advertised within 1 week. I applied for the job. I was informed outright that I did not get the job. The job was re-advertised with a statement saying that the position was expected to be filled by a student who was enrolled in a sterile supply technician degree from Massey. In other words, the student pays Massey University and does the job in order to fulfill the internship or work experience requirement for their Degree -- otherwise their qualification is withheld from them.
I am wondering how many 'jobs' are like that in the hospitals. That is to say, how many 'jobs' are filled by people was part of 'work experience' requirement while they pay the University and / or the ADHB more directly. That is to say, how much people may be paying the Univesrity and / or the ADHB in order to (in some instances) comit atrocities (wrongful death, sexual violation etc etc) in our hospitals.
It is hard for me to know what was going on with the Otago students (around 1/3rd the class, apparently) who paid money to overseas (and likely more did this locally) agencies for internship sign-off without their having attended their internship. On the one hand, perhaps the University of Otago has an elite class (of Doctors children, say) who are expected to go into positions where they are on pay-roll but where they never really set much of any foot inside the hospital. So I am looking for no-shows, basically. The way to see that is to see how many people (and who) are on payroll for various positions. Fairly recently in Rhode Island with the hospital merger they found a guy who was still on payroll who everybody thought had left. That is to say they found at least 1 person on payroll with no apparent job description who did no apparent work. I want to see if that is going on in the hospitals of New Zealand. If that is where at least some of the money goes. To consultants or doctors who nobody has ever seen...
Alternatively, it could be that they were set-up such that the University had an excuse, then, not to graduate them so that the University and the Hospitals, then, have an excuse to put them to work as Junior Doctors (a post-graduate position) in the hospitals before they have been graduated from their Medical Degrees. They pay them less becuase they don't have their Degrees -- right? I want to see how many people without Medical Degrees are passing themselves off as doctors in our hospitals. People who pay the University and slave in the hospitals for their 'work experince' internship requirement -- else they will never be graduated from their degree.
Because there is always another lot of student-slaves 1 year behind to take up the work -- right? So why would they pay any workers at all when you can just get another batch of student slaves and then deport them because their visa expired before graduation?
These are the kinds of things I am looking for. I think probably some elite people may actually care for their kids financial independence (or take wealth from their kids) such that at least some will be collecting up the money for likely none of the work. But I am wondering how wide-spread the slavery situation is.
I strongly suspect from the 'sterile supply technician' case that similar scummy scams are in place when it comes to nursing and the like, also. But I am also mindful of the burden of collating information and trying to keep the amount of information down. Also to start with Medicine. Because I imagine the scummy scam starts there and then once it's firmly entrenched it gets re-depoloyed to other sectors as well. So let's focus on Doctors. If we actually have any.
Q - Since we have District Health Boards in an attempt to distribute blame and responsibility away from the central government for the crappy state of our shitty health system (including international crimes like what happened at Lake Alice and many present day cases where kids from Oraka Tamariki are turning up with STDs etc after being placed in state care.. Where so many kids are (supposedly) 'self' harming (they do it to themselves, they do, they were asking for it, they were)... It is difficult to collate national statistics.
So my question is for the Auckland District Health Board, particularly. I want to know:
1) Row information (1 row per employee): Name. Educational Qualification (that qualifies them for the position). TItle (e.g., consultant. junior doctor). FTE (e.g., 1 FTE is one full time job). Gross pay associated with the position.
These are PUBLIC POSITIONS. PUBLIC EMPLOYEES. I have found this information previously for Australian medical doctors (including consultants) for the Canberra Hospital. Because it is public information. The public have a right to know if the ADHB puts a cleaner (or someone struck off the register for rape overseas) into the New Zealand public hospitals.
Kelly Roe.
From: K Roe (Account suspended)
Dear OIA Requests,
The title should help you focus:
ADHB doctors payroll information
Yours sincerely,
K Roe
From: K Roe (Account suspended)
Dear OIA Requests,
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/internatio...
It was getting close to the time that the University was supposed to look at giving her TWO DEGREES.
But, apparently, the Auckland District Health Board (Grafton, across the road from the Medical School, a Teaching Hospital Campus) detained her such that she was subsequently deported without her degrees at which point the University of Auckland says it's irrevokable that no Degrees for her.
Thanks for your investment of International Student Fees for 4 years of a 5 year Double Degree Programme. In return for your investment you are deported with no Degrees.
Quite the legacy for Dr McCutcheon (the poor little lambs who die every winter, every winter, every winter, every winter, every winter because that's how we do farming, in New Zealand).
I am wondering about the state of Psychiatry in Auckland City, particularly. I know Otago has Professor Glue (who supervises / writes for his students such projects as drugging people on Marae (with 'major tranquiliser' old generation anti-psychotics) so they feel better about communal sleeping...
Just so we can get clear on why my application to Medical School gets 'definite no'. I know the Waikato Hospital has (several times) been found to have various 'psychiatrists' on pay-roll who are outright frauds. Who have no qualifications (and apparently write no prescriptions) and / or who have claimed them by stealing another persons identity. These cases have been reported in the local newspapers.
But these things are STILL going on. No doubt.
The Government WILL NOT PROVIDE THE MOST BASIC LEVEL OF HEALTHCARE TO THE PEOPLE. THE GOVERNMENT WILL NOT ALLOW PEOPLE TO WORK MEANINGFUL JOBS.
Murderers and psychopaths and rapists and pedophiles will always work those jobs for free (or pay to exrpess their pathology). And the government has chosen to profiteer from that at the expense of the people. Where does all the f*cking money go??
Yours sincerely,
K Roe
From: K Roe (Account suspended)
Dear OIA Requests,
Not long after I was informed that 'sterile supply technician' is now a (likely unpaid) job that is done by people who pay Massey University only -- There was a newspaper article that stated something about the state of the surgical equipment coming out of the autoclave. That there were often visible bits of bone and hair still on the equipment. As someone who has spent a little time working back of house in hospitality I guess it's because things aren't promptly soaked after use. They sit around so that macroscopic soiling can set in. As anyone who has used a dishwasher will know.
The problem, as I see it, isn't that things are like this in our hospitals. The problem, as I see it, is that so much energy and effort and work goes into ensuring that things stay like this in our hospitals. Nobody with the capacity to find or figure a solution is allowed to have any authority at all.
I suppose it is the borderline defense, thing, of 'I can't let anybody else fix it or solve it or help make things any better, at all, because if someone else were to make that kind of progress then that would reflect badly on me. So, psychologically, I need to ensure that nobody else is allowed to help make things any better at all because, psychologically, that would undermine or devalue me, and I couldn't handle it'.
So, instead, we sit around, all day, singing the praises of whoever developed (and whoever has maintained) the present system whereby the result of that system is that visible hair and bone are on surgical equipment when it comes out of the autoclave.
But that's okay, because it's been steralised -- right?
Just sit around singing their praises all day. Just sit around singing their praises. No? Well, there's no other work to be done.
Yours sincerely,
K Roe
From: K Roe (Account suspended)
Dear OIA Requests,
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/hospital-i...
No surprises there.
I would imagine that access to date rape drugs and immobilisers and addictive substances (people will do anything anything anything for their next dose) is a pretty major motivator or incentiviser behind why it is soooooooooooooooo competitive. I mean some people really really really really really really want to study Medicine. Right? It's soooooooooooooooo competitive. You better do anything anything anything your supervisor (or superiors) ask of you. Right?
Yours sincerely,
K Roe
From: K Roe (Account suspended)
Dear OIA Requests,
Here is another one (a little closer to home when it comes to Auckland).
Let's prescribe 'sub-clinical' doses of LSD for anxiety or depression.
Why? Because anxiety and depression are things such that it is fairly easy to get most people to admit to having some of the symptoms of (or to write down that there is reason to believe that there are some symptoms of anxiety of depression).
What does 'sub-clinical' mean? Well, in this context it means a dose of a hallucinagen that is insufficient to produce side-effects of symptoms of having taken the hallucinagen. What do you mean? I mean that anything the patient reports (after having taken the hallucinagen) will be attributed to the mental state of the patient and not attributed as a side-effect of the drug. Like what kinds of side-effect or symptom? Why, hallucinations, most obviously.
Why induce hallucinations in a subject? Because hallucinations are good for then attributing 'psychotic episode' or various variants thereof. Maybe even a 'brief intermittent explosive disorder' (what kinds of evidence could be used to attest against that diagnosis if a clinician decides to start throwing that term around in the patient notes or with the nurses or the students passing themselves off as nurses or whomever...)
So we drug people so as to justify their detention in a psychiatric facility?
That seems to be the reason or purpose for psychiatry. I mean... Only 'treat' the involuntary. Right? If anybody asks for help (and is specific about the help they need) then none for them. You abuse them until the stop asking. Right? And their abuse is justified because they are asking for abuse when they ask for help -- right?
But really psychiatry (in NZ) is about detaining people who haven't done anything wrong.
And then (we are not following best international practices) there are the non-voluntary, unlawful, druggings.
The fact that the judiciary refuses to prosecute the health boards (they have a conflict, apparently)...
Doesn't make it lawful.
'Subject to demands of accountability' is not supposed to mean the size of the biggest army. It means.. Conscience.
Yours sincerely,
K Roe
From: Avril Baxter (ADHB)
Kia ora Kelly
Official Information Request – Vacant doctor shifts (Auckland DHB
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From: K Roe <[FOI #18614 email]>
Sent: Wednesday, 23 February 2022 8:51 am
To: OIA Requests <[email address]>
Subject: Re: Clarification of your request 21 February 2022
Dear OIA Requests,
The title should help you focus:
ADHB doctors payroll information
Yours sincerely,
K Roe
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Kia ora Kelly,
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From: K Roe <[FOI #18614 email]>
Sent: Monday, 21 February 2022 10:32
To: OIA Requests <[email address]>
Subject: Official Information request - ADHB doctors payroll information
Dear Ministry of Health,
Once upon a time I lived in Canberra and I was fortunate to have the
opportunity to have psycho-dynamically oriented psychotherapy with a
psychiatrist in private practice.
Before I embarked on work with him I googled him to check there wasn't a
pattern of serious allegations against him or anything problematic like
that. I was initially surprised to find payroll information from the
Canberra Hospital. Then I realized that he worked part time in private
and part time in public practice. The payroll information was publicly
available (accessible on the internet) because it was public practice.
The information listed all Clinical employees. Their full name. The
capacity they were hired in (e.g., Consultant Psychiatrist). The FTE of
the position. The gross amount that they were paid (that was associated
with the FTE of the position).
I would like to see this information from the Auckland District Health
Board (ADHB).
Why?
I am trying to understand what is going on with Psychiatry (in the first
instance) in Auckland. I am trying to get a handle on whether there are
ample Psychiatrists on payroll (but they are trained never to set foot on
the hospital -- like how Otago wanted to train students to get signed off
on their workplace internship without attendance) or whether there aren't
ample Psychiatrists on payroll (where they are getting 5th year medical
students or building apprentices to pass themselves off as consultants
while they pay the University for their work experience in the hospital).
Or, more likely, see the sort of ratios.
As well as the Clinical staff. I would also like to know about the
non-clinical staff. The administration and management, particularly.
I suppose I want to see where the payroll money goes so I can understand
what's going on with where the money goes in the Hospital. Or if the
idea is that Ailsa Claire gives most of the money back (unspent) and it's
on that understanding that she gets to keep her job with the payroll she
apparently gets...
I know that was a bit long but I am trying to provide the context for my
question and reassurance that this is a question about public information
that should be readily available or accessible to people who manage the
payroll and hirings etc.
- ALL Clinical staff (doctors).
- Nonclinical management / administration
Yours faithfully,
Kelly Roe.
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Please see our response to our request on this subject.
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