Tēnā koe Matthew

I acknowledge receipt of your Official Information Act 1982 (OIA) request below.

Your reference number is IR-01-23-35280.

You can expect a response to your request on or before 01/12/2023 unless an extension is needed.

Ngā mihi,
Courtenay
Ministerial Services - Police National Headquarters

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From: Matthew’s stolen car <[FOI #24656 email]>
Sent: Sunday, 5 November 2023 7:29 AM
To: Ministerial Services <[email address]>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Official Information request - Total expected procedures undertaken by police to ensure an aggravated robbery actually happened.

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Dear New Zealand Police,

Please inform me of the legalities when It comes to the charge of aggravated robbery. If someone had their vehicle stolen which was previously reported to police, and found out the address of the theives and visited that address and the door was open and they went inside and spoke to the person who had stolen the vehicle and offered it for sale and that person said the vehicle wasn’t in her position but it was with another person her friend and that she would ring her friend and have the vehicle returned immediately. Does she not then take culpability of stealing the vehicle?

Add on noticing items that were in the persons vehicle were now at the house sitting on this persons kitchen table doesnt that make it clear that the person had stolen or were involved in stealing that vehicle. And certainly received stolen goods from the vehicle and offered them for sale.

And then Under her own fruition She and her boyfriend then get up and leave the premises leaving myself and my fellow friends at her address does it not suggest she’s comfortable with us being there and it’s fine for us to be there?she and her boyfriend get up and leave the premises leaving myself and my fellow friends at her premise does it I suggest she’s comfortable with us being there and it’s fine for us to be there?

I when she’s left the premises if I decide to leave the premise straight away afterwards it’s also acceptable is it not? Am I responsible for locking the doors closing the doors any of these things when she’s walked out and left the door open.

Then if she decides to ring Police and tell them her property was stolen and her house was ransacked surely it would not be the responsibility of the person she left on her property because she didn’t shut the door so why would he be expected to also.

I then at a later date on him viewing the scene footage he notices that there are a number of irregularities as to the state of the property being different from when he left the property would that not lead you to believe that the owner of the property when she returned to it staged the place to look like a ransacking.

Would there not be a list of property stolen and after police had searched the suspects vehicle and not found any items would that not suggest that the person had not ransacked and stolen property.

And would it be feasible for the police to then charge the man who went to Recover his vehicle with aggravated robbery although he had no weapon made no acts of violence and without police consulting the other people present but only listening to the woman that resided at the residents who makes up the story of violence and theft wouldnt the police not have to arrest all the other parties that were there and not just one party?

And would Police not have to insure that the person they were charging with aggravated robbery had actually done aggravated robbery and they would have firm proof rather than hearsay and if they did only have a verbal or written statement from the owner of the property who had fled the property would that be enough for the charges to stick? Would the police not have to get statements from the other people that accompanied the gentleman to the property who had his car stolen. Would they not have to be arrested also or at least questioned.

So if the man who’s vehicle was stolen was reported to the police and then also noticed that the people had also stolen his credit card numbers and stolen $1925 from his account which he also reported to police, would said police have a responsibility to look into that theft by the information given of the thieves, visit them and ascertain whether they had stolen the vehicle and also inform the owner of the vehicle any update they had about the stolen vehicle and money to the man who reported it. And wouldn’t police be expected to do this in a timely manner?

I am a resident of New Zealand and am therefore entitled for the police to do an accurate and open and honest investigation.

Yours faithfully,

Man who’s car and money was stolen.

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Kia ora Matthew

I refer to your correspondence of 5 November below, which you submitted via the fyi website as a request under the Official Information Act 1982 (OIA). I understand from what you have said that your queries relate to a specific set of incidents that you were a party to, which led to Police laying a charge against you for aggravated robbery. Your correspondence includes a number of hypothetical questions which actually relate to the incidents referred to above.

For the OIA to apply, the information must be held by the agency concerned. There is no obligation on an agency to form an opinion or create information in order to grant a request.

As the questions you have asked appear to relate to a current prosecution, you should direct your queries for information to the officer in charge of the case. Information that is relevant to the proceedings will be provided to you in due course under the Criminal Disclosure Act 2008.

If you wish to make a complaint regarding Police's handling of the incidents you refer to, you can find details on how to make a complaint here: https://www.police.govt.nz/contact-us/gi...

Kind regards

Tobias Vandenberg
Senior Advisor | Ministerial Services | Police National Headquarters

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew’s stolen car <[FOI #24656 email]>
Sent: Sunday, 5 November 2023 7:29 am
To: Ministerial Services <[email address]>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Official Information request - Total expected procedures undertaken by police to ensure an aggravated robbery actually happened.

CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.

Dear New Zealand Police,

Please inform me of the legalities when It comes to the charge of aggravated robbery. If someone had their vehicle stolen which was previously reported to police, and found out the address of the theives and visited that address and the door was open and they went inside and spoke to the person who had stolen the vehicle and offered it for sale and that person said the vehicle wasn’t in her position but it was with another person her friend and that she would ring her friend and have the vehicle returned immediately. Does she not then take culpability of stealing the vehicle?

Add on noticing items that were in the persons vehicle were now at the house sitting on this persons kitchen table doesnt that make it clear that the person had stolen or were involved in stealing that vehicle. And certainly received stolen goods from the vehicle and offered them for sale.

And then Under her own fruition She and her boyfriend then get up and leave the premises leaving myself and my fellow friends at her address does it not suggest she’s comfortable with us being there and it’s fine for us to be there?she and her boyfriend get up and leave the premises leaving myself and my fellow friends at her premise does it I suggest she’s comfortable with us being there and it’s fine for us to be there?

I when she’s left the premises if I decide to leave the premise straight away afterwards it’s also acceptable is it not? Am I responsible for locking the doors closing the doors any of these things when she’s walked out and left the door open.

Then if she decides to ring Police and tell them her property was stolen and her house was ransacked surely it would not be the responsibility of the person she left on her property because she didn’t shut the door so why would he be expected to also.

I then at a later date on him viewing the scene footage he notices that there are a number of irregularities as to the state of the property being different from when he left the property would that not lead you to believe that the owner of the property when she returned to it staged the place to look like a ransacking.

Would there not be a list of property stolen and after police had searched the suspects vehicle and not found any items would that not suggest that the person had not ransacked and stolen property.

And would it be feasible for the police to then charge the man who went to Recover his vehicle with aggravated robbery although he had no weapon made no acts of violence and without police consulting the other people present but only listening to the woman that resided at the residents who makes up the story of violence and theft wouldnt the police not have to arrest all the other parties that were there and not just one party?

And would Police not have to insure that the person they were charging with aggravated robbery had actually done aggravated robbery and they would have firm proof rather than hearsay and if they did only have a verbal or written statement from the owner of the property who had fled the property would that be enough for the charges to stick? Would the police not have to get statements from the other people that accompanied the gentleman to the property who had his car stolen. Would they not have to be arrested also or at least questioned.

So if the man who’s vehicle was stolen was reported to the police and then also noticed that the people had also stolen his credit card numbers and stolen $1925 from his account which he also reported to police, would said police have a responsibility to look into that theft by the information given of the thieves, visit them and ascertain whether they had stolen the vehicle and also inform the owner of the vehicle any update they had about the stolen vehicle and money to the man who reported it. And wouldn’t police be expected to do this in a timely manner?

I am a resident of New Zealand and am therefore entitled for the police to do an accurate and open and honest investigation.

Yours faithfully,

Man who’s car and money was stolen.

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This is an Official Information request made via the FYI website.

Please use this email address for all replies to this request:
[FOI #24656 email]

Is [New Zealand Police request email] the wrong address for Official Information requests to New Zealand Police? If so, please contact us using this form:
https://fyi.org.nz/change_request/new?bo...

Disclaimer: This message and any reply that you make will be published on the internet. Our privacy and copyright policies:
https://fyi.org.nz/help/officers

If you find this service useful as an Official Information officer, please ask your web manager to link to us from your organisation's OIA or LGOIMA page.

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WARNING
The information contained in this email message is intended for the addressee only and may contain privileged information. It may also be subject to the provisions of section 50 of the Policing Act 2008, which creates an offence to have unlawful possession of Police property. If you are not the intended recipient of this message or have received this message in error, you must not peruse, use, distribute or copy this message or any of its contents.
Also note, the views expressed in this message may not necessarily reflect those of the New Zealand Police. If you have received this message in error, please email or telephone the sender immediately

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